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Theists vs atheists: futile confrontations

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Theists vs atheists: futile confrontations

Ludwik Kowalski's picture
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Confrontations between theists and atheists are dangerous. Can their intensity be reduces? If yes then how to accomplish this? My article addressing these issues appeared in the April 2012 Issue of American Atheist Magazine. The link is:

http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/theo/atheist.html

 

Comments will be appreciated.

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Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)

Ludwik Kowalski, author of a free ON-LINE book entitled “Diary of a Former Communist: Thoughts, Feelings, Reality.”

 

http://csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/life/intro.html

 

It is a testimony based on a diary kept between 1946 and 2004 (in the USSR, Poland, France and the USA).

 

 

 

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As a debating website I cant say I am certain I want there to be less 'conflict' between atheists and theists - we are currently lacking a good ongoing discussion on whether God exists! More generally you proposal seems to essentially be for both sides to accept their views are in sepearte spheres and move on and I am not sure that in the long term this is constructive as I dont see how there can be progress without dialogue - even if often very heated - on a subject. No one is ever going to find an idea that is acceptable to everyone if no one is looking.

You also make the initial assumption that arguments between theists and atheists are dangerous; how so?

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Alex Helling wrote:
 ... You also make the initial assumption that arguments between theists and atheists are dangerous; how so?

 

Thank you for your comment, Alex. I hope I am wrong in thinking that a real war might result from more and more insulting confrontations.

Have a good day,

 

L.K.

 

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Ludwik Kowalski wrote:

I hope I am wrong in thinking that a real war might result from more and more insulting confrontations.

I certainly wont say it is impossible - war can come out of trivial conflicts - but it does seem unlikely in the immediate future. According to a gallup poll from several years ago the least religious countries are Estonia, Sweden, Denmark and Norwary. Not countries known for their militarism. The chances of actual interstate war caused by this argument seem very small if only because the countries that are least religious are the most likely to bend over backwards to accomodate the other side's demands. 

Possibly more likely would be some kind of internal conflict but most contries with any number of atheists are democracies in which internal conflcit is very rare (name the last mature democracy to have a civil war... can you think of any?) As a result any conflict is really likely to be persecution of one side or the other rather than a real war. 

Out of interest are you specifically thinging of the United States? it is the only country that comes to mind as having large numbers of militant atheists and theists.

(as an aside I note that Azerbaijan is in the top 10 least religious and is of course an neighbour of Iran but any conflict is much more likely to be over the huge numbers of Azeris in Iran or about sea borders in the Caspian). 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114211/Alabamians-Iranians-Common.aspx

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As a debate with no provable answer I agree that both sides will always be shouting past each other and are unlikely to actually 'win' any debate. I also agree that the debate should be less aggressive.

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I think this rather misses the point of debate; with the exception of competitive debate the point is not to 'win' but to persuade, influence, and open people to new ideas and interpretations. If we go about curtailing debate then we simply let both sides get more and more radical and set in their ways. Without such discussion and debate no middle ground can be found and it becomes more difficult to accept that the other side may be of worth. As a result reducing debate on the issue is exactly the wrong way to go about reducing confrontation.

Of course debate should not be aggressive but frankly those who are going to be aggressive are not interested in debate and discussion on the subject anyway.

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I don't believe the intensity on a certain matter of debate can be effectively reduced because debate is initially sparked by people caring too much about their own ideologies as opposed to people who care equally about their own ideologies that contradict the former's.

In the matter of confrontations between theists and athiest, intensity is almost inevitable, but that doesn't have to be necessarily avoided since it's more important to reach common grounds through debate than to economize the collateral damage. People who take part in such debates do it out of a sort of paternal though uncatered care towards saving the other's soul or maybe reforming their brainwashed train of thought, according to their respective opinions on the matter. A debate is more likely to water both down to socially acceptable levels than reach a conclusion, which is, in essence, a good thing. Not to mention the fact that people who are inclined towards debating the subject are logically less likely to force the other person to commit to their ideologies by a form of coercion, so it could be argued that a debate would be the only possible method of reducing the intensity caused by sectarian tension; the more people are likely to talk about something, the less likely they are to wage war over it, since the differences are already set in light and not propagating in secret societies. It is an accepted fact by both factions that the other exists and talking about it would take that kind of relationship to a more stable level, rendering them grounds of clarity and putting a damper on things. A person is more likely to tolerably coexist with another if both of their stances and motives are out in the open than settling on a strained form of coexistence that could be tampered with in occasional paranoia or, on a more extreme level, even a sense of self protection from what seems to be 'unknown ulterior motives.'

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