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Where those opposed to raising fees for universities in the UK right?

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Where those opposed to raising fees for universities in the UK right?

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The independent commission on fees says “Total university applicant numbers in England have dropped by 8.8 % in the first year of higher fees.” Moreover “The decline in student applicants in England for 2012-13 is not mirrored in other parts of the UK where fees have not been increased” which seems to imply that fees are almost certainly responsible for at least some of that decline in applications. Will Hutton, the chair of the Commission, gives a note of caution about reading too much into the figures “Although it is too early to draw any firm conclusions, this study provides initial evidence that increased fees have an impact on application behaviour.” He also pointed out that “On a positive note we are pleased to see that, at this stage, there has been no relative drop-off in applicants from less advantaged neighbourhoods.” This will provide some vindication to everyone who opposed the fee increases for whom their main argument was that an increase in fees would mean that fewer school leavers would feel able to carry on to university. David Willetts, the Universities Minister, however argues that while “We do accept that after a peak last year, applications are down from 31.6% of people applying to university to 30.6%, that is actually still the second highest rate of applications on record."

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I'm not really troubled by fewer applicants, there are not enough graduate jobs in any case atm. The negative effect is more likely to be further down the line with lots of graduates crushed under debt mountains.

Also two brains is one too many for me, I dont understand the Willetts quote at all, how can a third of people applying for university be applying for university, surely they all are; maybe they are not all people?

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I think 'of people' must mean 'of all school leavers' or 'all 18 year olds' since it cant mean either what you took it to mean or the obvious 'of everyone'.

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Colin Helling wrote:
I'm not really troubled by fewer applicants, there are not enough graduate jobs in any case atm. The negative effect is more likely to be further down the line with lots of graduates crushed under debt mountains.

If the graduates are lucky this might balance out; if less people go to university as a result of fees then there will be more competition for graduates so pushing up incomes, therefore they can pay their debt off faster.

Though really I think it would be better for the everyone in the long term if the focus was on creating more graduate jobs to employ more graduates rather than shrinking the number of graduates.

40 weeks 1 day ago
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