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This House Would Remove the Israeli Security Wall
This House Would Remove the Israeli Security Wall
This is a discussion on the Debatabase item titled: This House Would Remove the Israeli Security Wall.Below is the discussion so far. Feel free to add your own comments!
45 weeks 5 days ago
Crime does seem to me to be a really insignificant reason and I would be very surprised if it was used as a justification. Reduction in terrorism is rather more convincing.
I dont know for sure but doubt many people object to the idea of a wall or argue that Israel should not be allowed to build one in its own territory (with the exception of course of those who think Israel does not have any right to exist). Building a wall to protect yourself from suicide bombers seems perfectly reasonable and sensible (at least until they being using mortars instead). The problem has instead been with the human rights violations caused by putting it up inside palestinian territory so cutting communities appart and effectively annexing territory. This is after all why organisations like the UN and Red Cross object to it.
That said creating a barrier is also polarising and shows an unwillingness to move towards a negotiated settlement.
45 weeks 4 days ago
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I think the idea behind the wall is potentially a good one. Israel is perfectly within its rights to defend itself in whatever way it wishes and a wall is distinctly less violent than most other methods the country could employ to counter terrorism. However I am not certain they were sensible siting the wall on land within the palestinian territories rather than on the accepted border as this partially counters the point of the wall which is security because it creates more anger among the Palestinians when it need not have done. It also made the wall much longer than it would have been meaning it will cost more to maintain and secure and be a less secure wall because of it (more possible places to break through).
None the less the best possible response in a bad situation?
45 weeks 4 days ago
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However I am not certain they were sensible siting the wall on land within the palestinian territories rather than on the accepted border as this partially counters the point of the wall which is security because it creates more anger among the Palestinians when it need not have done.
Since this topic is about the current wall rather than a hypothetical wall that is built along the border are you therefor for getting rid of it?
It seems to me that the current wall is wrong as it seeks to create a new border and is therefore about annexing land. If it was about security then why build it where it is? It would be just as effective further back than it is where it is. Moreover if the wall had not been built where it is it would have shown that Israel is not willing to always cave in to the settlers who therefore might have to reconsider their position, lets be realistic, they are only there because they know that Israel will keep them secure regardless of the cost.
45 weeks 1 day ago
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lets be realistic, they are only there because they know that Israel will keep them secure regardless of the cost.
The cost is supposedly about $6.3billion per year. However not everything can be measured in financial terms, sovereign territory has a lot more value than its monetary worth; why else would states maintain costly outposts anywhere? In this case the settlements are valuable politically (they can be used as a bargaining chip) and so is the wall (again). This alone may well make it worthwhile building the wall on Palestinain territory no matter how 'wrong' it may be.
And of course if you ignore the questions already made about whether the siting of the wall makes any difference to security when it comes to the wall itself we should remember that saving lives is priceless.
45 weeks 1 day ago
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i'd like to raise some points-
I would have improve the argumants by my self, but I think that others have much better grammar and articulation than mine own..
1. by removing the wall there will be a couple of things that may affect israel - the main reason the wall was build is to make it harder on terrorist to infiltriate to israeli cities and civilian populations.. by removing it , it will be much easier to those terrorist to accomplish their goal..
some people probebly think that the palestinian authority / PHATAH and other groups in the west bank had neglacted the ways of terror and are focusing on non-violent protest..
they did not- israeli civilians are being stabed on a daily basis, explosives are caught at israeli check-points on a daily basis, and there are weapons kidnapping from soldiers\police on a daily basis.
the reason those things are not written or even mentioned on the news is because those things have become a daily routine.. just like the rocket shooting from gaza.. even in the last 4 days while watching the olympic games there were 12 rockets fired into israel from gaza- you won't hear about it except in the israeli news- and even there it is not a front page header.
2. there is the issue of crime prevention- 95% of the cars that are stolen in israel are stolen by palestinians and are taken into the west bank for disassembly, and there are no attampts from the P.A to prevent this phenomena. the wall is a way to prevent it, or at least make it harder
3. the illegal workers and- imagine there was no fences and walls in the u.s-mexico border.. work imigrents woulf flow like water.. it also happens now , but in a much smaller scale.. without the wall there would be tens of thousents of illegal work-imigrants in israel.
the last two points may seem as not realy important, but the crime rate of palestinians in israel is extremly high in all areas- sexual crimes, property crimes,auto theght, and homocide... it's only natural when there is a proportionaly wealthy country next to a poor country. the wall is efective in those areas as well.